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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

"I'll be curious to see if and how the Euro '72 Box remaster can improve upon this rare gem."

I really don't think that there is a great deal of room for sonic improvement with this show. The Masse remaster is sourced from a stolen "Honeymoon Tape" vault recording and quite probably represents the very finest sound quality of any Europe '72 performance in circulation at this time. My only complaint with this one is that for some strange reason, the songs included in the Europe '72 album (China/Rider, Jack Straw and Tennesse Jed) have been replaced with the "over dubbed" tracks from that album.

The show itself is a treasure and just might be the most aesthetically beautiful performance of the entire Europe '72 tour. Every song is flawlessly played. Several are candidates for best of tour renditions, and Jack Straw and Saturday Night are possibly all-time greatest performances.

The second set jam suite is extraordinary; the amazing Other One rivaling the incredible performance in Frankfurt one week earlier. An intense Truckin' slips into an eerily quiet passage before Bobby and Phil again revisit the georgeous theme they explored in Aarhus. This time Phil is a bit more persistent though, eventually leading the way into a more structured Other One Jam. It's all hands on deck before yet another quiet passage featuring some sublime chord by Bob Weir, punctuated by a second jazzy visit to The Other One theme. A drum break preceeds an ultra-jazzy Phil solo accompanied by some snappy drums. This one sounds like Jimy Blanton and Gene Krupa. The balance of the first reprise is a wonderfully jazzy combination of intense Jerry/Keith duets and more lovely Weir/Lesh interplay. Still not finished with the theme, the second verse/reprise follows a soulfull Bobby McGee.

The vibe of both '72 Paris performances is quite a bit different from those in Germany one week earlier. These two shows are just a bit more layed back, but still laser focused with extremely tight execution and a very high level of creativity to the jamming. This performance just might be my very favorite of the entire tour. c'est magnifique!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 3, 2011 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I'm confused. Are you saying the Masse remaster has had those tunes replaced with the E72 overdubbed versions? What about the Latvala one or others here? (Or maybe I'm misunderstanding.)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf is sourced from 16 track vault master reels that Dick Latvala loaned to Dave Gans to use on his Grateful Dead Hour program. Gans neighbor stole or borrowed these reels from his house while Dave was away on his honeymoon.

The songs that were included on the Europe '72 album had been cut out of the master reels so Mike Masse has spliced in the tracks from the album which sound entirely different and have overdubbed vocals.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 3, 2011 10:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I just looked at the notes and the Latvala source also seems to have been uploaded (or whatever) by Mike Masse and has those snipped in, too. So I guess we don't know if the pieces from the master reel even exist to be put on the box set? Wow, I didn't know that.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 4, 2011 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I asked about this here when the box was announced and never got a response. They haven't made any comments about missing music from shows. I guess if they kept the snipped out pieces they used for E72 then they could still use them. If not, they probably have 2-track tapes of the shows they could be used for those songs. They have patched with aud tapes and even from other versions of songs as was pointed out here a few weeks ago for the Eyes of the World on the RT '74 release. I kind of hope they still have the snippets of the 16-track stuff and its usable.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 7, 2011 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Back from Paris?

How did you find the accommodations at the George V?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 8, 2011 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

I got back Friday evening. While Paris is a wonderful city, it was my longest trip away from the family in 4 years and i was happy to be home.

As for the King George V, i would not be caught dead in THAT dump. However on my last night in the city, i did have the pleasure of dining at the Ritz. Based on my experience, i am quite confident that Diana's last meal was wonderful. I walked back to my hotel from dinner and avoided any tunnels.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 8, 2011 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Youre being facetious about the George V right?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 9, 2011 5:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

but of course mon ami. Would have to hit the lotto to be able to stay at that place. Based on what i was paying for a 4 star, i wouldn't surprised if it easily clears a grand a night for their cheapest room. Alas, i don't play the lotto. c'est la vie.



This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2011-05-09 12:22:50

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 9, 2011 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

By never loosing, you win.

You're still a bastard.

;)

(that's for Rob)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 9, 2011 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

If i were truly a bastard i would have gone with my initial instinct which was to say that the George V was the 2-26-77 of Paris hotels!

As for the wordsmith, i think i had an easier time understanding French than the "English" he was allegedly speaking. ;-)

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Poster: Jim F Date: May 4, 2011 4:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Everybody ranks 4/29 as being the one to most likely benefit the greatest with the box set treatment. But I'd also really like to hear an improvement on 4/11, myself. 4/21 also has room for improvement, but that's the one set out of the whole tour that I could probably do without. Well, no, that's going a little far...

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Poster: Hashjihad Date: May 3, 2011 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

There is definitely some fuzz they could get rid off. I had to turn my treble down, but I did have my volume ungodly high.

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Poster: wineland Date: May 3, 2011 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Cliff, is the Masse or Samaritano source better?

Totally unrelated, other than hashjihad’s response, funny name BTW. I was riled up about something at work, my co-worker turns to me and says, "You should have a Bin Laden after work today: two shots and a splash of water."

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Very funny!

Joe Samaritano himself endorses sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 3, 2011 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Hi Cliff, I agree that it will be difficult to improve upon the sound and mix on what we already have. I'd like to hear a bit more depth in the remaster and that's about it. On the old LP version overdubbed edits, it's always nice to have the complete show, but the sonic mastering and the new vocal mix overlay is soooo different than the source here. The other day I was listening to a highlights disc I had toasted of the next night - 5/4 - and was reminded of why I usually faded out the end of Dark Star, so as not to have to hear the strange and comparatively saccharine sweet sounding redone Sugar Magnolia.

I'm hoping that with the new Euro '72 Box, the original source material for those songs from these glorious two nights in Paris has not been permanently altered when cut out and used nearly four decades ago. To hear these two entire shows in their original form and content will be the only way to improve upon these two gems.

And yes, these two nights are true treasures that stand out among the largess that we have here.

By the way, do you have the link for when you posted your Europe '72 diary with all of your reviews? I appreciate the thoughtful effort that went into that project.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 3, 2011 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

Thanks!

Plenty of interesting E '72 discussion in this thread...

http://www.archive.org/post/304297/europe-72-notebook

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 3, 2011 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Paris '72 - pure magic and sheer mastery

That's the one. thanks